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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 10:36:51 GMT
Moving forward on raid nights, as we are now 2/13 mythic as a guild, our raid nights will now progress as follows:
Wednesday nights we will clear the upper citadel (Iskar onwards), our reason for this is we have a large roster of raiders and trials, so we as officers need to see the trials in action and some of them are needing gear for there main spec. We also need to start utilising the fact that we have classes with off specs, we currently only have two tanks in the guild and if one of them is absent from raid we need people to fill in and utilise this wonderful utility in wow. We are also starting too have a lot of healers in the guild and so need some healers to have the option of dps, teacup polar and myself included. On Hc clear nights in the past few weeks it takes us about 1hour 20min to get up to and kill Gorefiend so we will use this last 1 hour and 20 min at the end of our raid to down Mythic Hellfire Assault and Iron Reaver. We realise that some peoples specs are dps only, so if you don't need anything on your main char, then I don't see a problem with bringing an alt (pref arcane mages!!!) as long as it is 710+ geared. Loot priority will of course stay ms>os and also be raider>trial>alt. We will not be swapping mains and alts in and out of the raid, if you need something on your main then you come on your main. If you come on an alt then please make sure your main is at HFC for starting the Mythic part of our raid night. If people do not show up on time for raid as they don't want to do HFC Hc then you will not be drafted in later that night. No exceptions will be made and your absence from attending will be noted.
Sundays and Mondays raids will of course all be about progression in Mythic HFC, but we feel that with having two nights dedicated to progression we need to raise the morale level in the guild as it is quite draining and give trials a proper opportunity to prove themselves. |
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Post by praylin on Mar 8, 2016 10:52:06 GMT
Leader and officers have spoken, some might say that they are bored with HC runs, but tbh we are a guild, and we need to work as a team. I support this call from the leaders. I know we only have two tanks atm, but as I have told tea, if it's needed I can step in on my paladin (full HC geared) so it is rdy to tank myth if one of our tanks is absent. But again everybody should support this call from the leaders, we are a guild ONE SINGLE UNIT !!!!! I will support it and come on my main for the HC runs  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 11:16:48 GMT
Thank you for your support to this post Praylin. We have banned the use of alts for progression and besides we have a lot of tanking off specs on main characters which need to be utilised.
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Post by praylin on Mar 8, 2016 11:20:34 GMT
Sure, just wanted to say if it's really needed, I know we have a lot of mains that should be able to go tank  |
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Post by Banshe on Mar 8, 2016 12:12:33 GMT
Completely agree with what has been said by Tolton and the other officers. I do feel that we need to push to improve punctuality and momentum for the raid nights as we are usually late starting and first pulls are not happening until 8:00 - 8:15 ST and we seem to be slowest getting ourselves reset after wipes during the middle of the raid period.
As for Utilising Offsets etc I have a solid tank set other than some trinkets and am happy to fill in when required, with a bit more time on encounters in that role I believe my confidence would grow and I would be more than able to fill in as required. I also have a 726 Ilvl Spriest/Hpriest among other alts that I am more than willing to switch to given the requirement/opportunity.
On another note I think it would be important to address Team Speak, there is a large amount of unnecessary talk on the communication channel during encounters with sometimes conflicting information, this is specifically in regards to events like moving to the soaks, stack points etc in Kormrok. Also, during an encounter isn't the time to justify your deaths / minor fuck ups to everyone.
Additionally, the use of CD's, CR's and Wipe calls should only be made by the raid leader unless otherwise specified.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 12:33:19 GMT
Good idea.. and as some of you know. im gearing my mage up for mythics.. so this would be a great chance for me to get the last few items needed to step into mythics.. 2 resets from my ring.
as such if the officers want me on my mage, i wont need anything on my hunter for mythics unless no one needs ofc.
core items i need for the mage
Trinket from manno,
staff from archi.
head from archi
2 tokens, legs and shoulders.
so bringing this idea up, opens up for good solutions for mythic progress.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 12:46:50 GMT
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Post by Naloe on Mar 8, 2016 13:04:19 GMT
Great option for the raid group. It does open the opportunity for raiders like myself who aren't fully geared and on trial who need improvements in MS and although not impossible, very difficult to PUG the bosses required. Maybe a good idea to also use this time to allow the OS tanks/dps/healz to trial there gear and abilities if wanted, prior to being needed due to tank/dps/healz shortage.
I do agree with banshe regarding the use of the teamspeak channels, specifically, pre, during and post fights for the discussion of tactics. Everyone of course has an idea to improve progression with certain bosses (Of course I have only attended the progression on Kormrok) but we should take the lead from tactic videos that we are told to watch (by officers) and the officers. I feel the expression 'to many cooks spoil the broth' summarizes what has happened on the raids I have attended with regards to progress tactics. Specifically at points in the past few nights raiding I have been at times confused and unaware of the tactics agreed for the next pull due to the sheer amount of discussion over the tactics pre fight. I feel we should take the lead from the officers and if wanting to voice an opinion ask if that opinion is actually wanted prior to giving it. Finally during fights the raid leader/caller should really be the only voice(s) you hear with the addition of shouts for specific player mechanics needing co-ordination (example being the runes in Kormrok).
Of course the above is based on my recent experience and I am nowhere near the greatest experienced wow player nor have a huge experience with conlave but I feel it will benefit the raid group and progress so decided to voice my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 13:36:37 GMT
Thank you all so far for your comments so far, myself and fellow officers will discuss all points made in threads as per usual. I know personally that my heal gear is pretty well suited to switch to dps, with the only items I need different between specs being trinkets, neck and cloak. so for my personal os I need trinkets from Iskar and manoroth and the staff again as different enchant.
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Post by Ophalion on Mar 8, 2016 14:28:59 GMT
Thank you Tolton for your effort, And yes i am with what he said and we should cooperate more in the guild we should have replacement if someone is absent in that matter and not wait till we find a replacement (pug) we should be ready. I my self have a shaman/monk in my account i use to heal by them long time ago their gear item level is between 690+ i could bring any of them to our server and work to make them ready to help on the healing matter + my Dk is more than geared and i am just missing 1 Ring & Amulet (neck) + the trinkets (for tanking spec) which is not really necessary for my broken class.  |
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Post by Dynasty on Mar 8, 2016 14:44:22 GMT
I think that HC runs is not only for officers/raiders to see trials in action, but also the other way around. How a guild functions is different per guild, and especially the personal playstyles of every single person is something you will have to get used too. Glad that we get to keep people on their mains, so you can actually GET USED to them. Ofcourse trials are an useful toool whenever we missing some spots, but personally I prefer to have my first couple raids as trial with a main team, not a mixure of alts and mains. Like you said people could switch out within the role they play, but then you still get used to them. 10/10 for this decision Something as a trial (then again might be my own fault); when I joined your raid for the first time, I found out you guys did some bosses slightly different than what I am used to. On the strategy forums there is a link to the video (Fatboss if I am not mistaken) of how you guys do it. But I think you always have some sligth differences. Maybe put a summary in that post on how you guys handle things different of that video! (E.G. Im used to running Wrought Chaos to the back of the raid, you guys to the side, I hit like.. 9 people?) |
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Post by Felurian on Mar 8, 2016 15:16:12 GMT
Regarding alts, if you guys want to bring an alt we will allow it for heroics, but it must be the same alt every time. Don't come swapping alts every now and then, the point is having an extra geared alt in case we need another spec/class for mythic progression (i.e. myself as monk). The idea is that you have two main geared alts that you know how to play. We have also as well discussed that people should make a BiS list of loot they have and are still lacking so loot handling is easier for us
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 15:51:03 GMT
I will state again, as far as I am concerned we will not be doing Mythics with alts in the group. The reason for running HFC Hc is for officers to give our trials a proper trial period and see what they can do, gearing peoples MS,OS and trials so we don't have situations like Monday night where we are running with people feeling pointless in a raid. It will also give our RL the option of choosing some of us healers to go dps so we have options if only 11 dps sign and 7 healers for example. We need flexibility as a raid group!!!! And besides we are not clean killing the upper citadel on a consistent basis which means what hope do we have of doing it on Mythic when we cant do it on Heroic.
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Post by praylin on Mar 8, 2016 19:00:42 GMT
Just had a very long good talk with Tolton on teamspeak, only me and him there, but still we mostly talked about raid, and the things people have been posting doing the day, and I hope some of the ideas I came up with he will pass on to the officer team, and that the officer team will make a post about the big master plan, I know some of the points are already here, but there might/maybe will be some few tweaks to smooth things out even more ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 22:21:58 GMT
I think that HC runs is not only for officers/raiders to see trials in action, but also the other way around. How a guild functions is different per guild, and especially the personal playstyles of every single person is something you will have to get used too. Glad that we get to keep people on their mains, so you can actually GET USED to them. Ofcourse trials are an useful toool whenever we missing some spots, but personally I prefer to have my first couple raids as trial with a main team, not a mixure of alts and mains. Like you said people could switch out within the role they play, but then you still get used to them. 10/10 for this decision Something as a trial (then again might be my own fault); when I joined your raid for the first time, I found out you guys did some bosses slightly different than what I am used to. On the strategy forums there is a link to the video (Fatboss if I am not mistaken) of how you guys do it. But I think you always have some sligth differences. Maybe put a summary in that post on how you guys handle things different of that video! (E.G. Im used to running Wrought Chaos to the back of the raid, you guys to the side, I hit like.. 9 people?) The reason for us taking wrought and focused chaos to the left hand side is so we don't hit any raiders braking chains with crossfire. |
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